Lore talk:Invocation of Azura

Gender

I noticed some edits that were tagged "there is no such thing as a Daedric Princess" modifying this. However the editor did not change the other instances of the word Princess here. Is Princess actually written in the book in game? AThousandYoung 19:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I stand by the edit. This is the only place where the "Daedric Princess" is used, so it's more likely to be a mistake. Everywhere else, the term Prince is used - even for those Princes often regarded as "female". rpeh •T•C•E• 00:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

This same text also says "Molag Bal, the Schemer Princess", so it is likely that the author might refer to any of them as "Princess". --Brf 00:35, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Boethiah too. However, I just noticed that the word was deliberately changed to Princess from Prince in the Daggerfall version. It's odd they should make a change like that, although I suppose you could argue it points even more clearly to the arbitrariness of gender when it comes to the daedra. rpeh •T•C•E• 00:47, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

That is interesting. The Daggerfall uses "Prince" for all of them, but it also says "her" and "mistress", as if "Prince" is the feminine. I think the author just uses the feminine for all that she worships. --Brf 00:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Found another: Purloined Shadows calls Nocturnal a Princess too. Looks like we might be wrong - more research is necessary here. rpeh •T•C•E• 11:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Prince has two different meanings: the first, original one, is just another word for ruler, from latin princeps - the one in the first position. The second meaning of prince is "son of the ruling monarch", whereas a daughter would be a "princess". So a Daedra Prince works fine for the female ones as well, since there is no ruling Daedra monarch who sired the bunch of them. "Deadra Princess" would be used to specifically point out their female nature. Like in Azura being the counterpart to Vivec, or general applying sexist prejudices to explain the female Daedra's attitude. --84.156.49.247 12:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC)